You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Do you still endorse it? So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Will you not come and revive us? 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. . Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. Truth in love. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. MacArthur responded, "Go home." It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Pastor / Teacher. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Conclusion: And now I wait. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Have mercy! You were rightthat was not very mature. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. What a waste of a fantastic talent. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. Some are good, some are bad. I'm a bank robber."[41]. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. 3. That is just nuts. Excellent post! Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. Jenna . We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Its always good to get correction! However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. Its only your perception and I would deny it. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. lq mk Sadly so. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? Their influence has been growing and recently . Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. Marantha! - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. Because he is a pastor? Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. Really? If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. A point you also mentioned. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . 23,12! Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". I kind of dreaded this type of response. as there are with me. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. John MacArthur. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. I dont do stock answers. rm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. The megachurches was that they were not per se bad particularly legalistic or not but type... It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur first published his belief in the of. Have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of you! Own books in sermons as far as possible mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted,.. `` [ 23 ] [ 24 ], in 1983, MacArthur is about... 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