in Section 6.7.3 is a crime. And he got into some pretty crazy stuff. His original analysis has been studied by students of the scriptures in over 130 countries worldwide, and is included in his first book - A Remnant Shall Return first published in 2015. I explore the assumption that these are things we are to strive for. If suggesting asking for Nephi et al to come visit, so-to-speak, is a bit peculiar, (and I grant that it is) Ive come to think, well, who am I to say Nephi is too busy? 15 February 2021 at 7:34 PM. June 6, 1891. I have not listened to all of his podcasts but I have to many and in my view his opinions are well within the scope of the gospel taught by Joseph and I am deeply troubled that someone could be expelled from the Church of Christ for teaching principals that bring us closer to him. Repeatedly act in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its leaders. But the shift isnt just talking about revelation to church leaders. They will range over the earth, visit distant friends, and, for aught we know, the planets, and accomplish great feats; do that which will enhance our happiness, increase to us every enjoyment of life, and prepare us for celestial glory; but when we wake in the morning, it is all gone from us; we have forgotten it.. 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Specifically: an institution who makes such extraordinary claims about personal revelations would then regulate such claims.. Its how this world works. The author, on the other hand, rather likes using fear as a teaching tool. Oh that plan of the evil one, Oh the vainness and the frailties and foolishness of men! The doc posted is not just showing why they think Mike is wrong but also trying showing the rest of us how the gospel is properly taught. Rush is the author of A Remnant Shall Return - 2020 Edition (4.76 avg rating, 79 ratings, 16 reviews), Eleven (4.62 avg rating, 8 ratings, 1 r. Home My Books scootd28: I wish it were more readily accepted to talk about sacred things without pushback. These are the scriptures of the common man not of the elite. God gave unto Zion (his church) a weapon against this, personal revelation through the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Michael B. This reminds me of the community of people who experience Near Death Experiences. There it is dude, black and white, my permission to explore the mysteries of God. It seems like he worked really hard to avoid overt mention of the inappropriate teachings from his first series. Welcome to my YouTube channel! If people knew how to get their own Personal Revelation they wouldnt need a charismatic teacher like Stroud who claimed doctrinal superiority to tell them how to understand the Book of Mormon. Thanks for this. . Its what we all want. I said, Who was it? She said, Why it was the Lord. I said, How do you know it was the Lord? She said, I just knew it was the Lord. And I said, Congratulations, youve had a Second Comforter experience. Evan, I wasnt really disagreeing with what YOU said before, and I disagree even less now. Thank you, Kimberly. Rush A Remnant Shall Return - Paperback & Audio Bundle $50 $29.99 Sale Michael B. See: List of Latter-day Saints for current members of the LDS Church. Michael B. A stay-at-home mom to three, she enjoys family history research and talking religion. Rush, author of: A Remnant Shall Return-Daniel 11-REVELATION the Vision of John Divine. We have Anti-Nephi-Lehis laying down their lives by the thousands, and the miraculous conversions attributed to Alma and the sons of Mosiah; Prison walls fall to the ground around Alma and Amaleki, then, following the demonstration of the pillar of fire, around Nephi and Lehi. Then they came down and did something about it. [Nope.] During his interview with DeFede,. Where are they today? After bearing a heartfelt testimony of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President Russell M. Nelson, and deity, Brother Stroud announced hed been excommunicated for apostasy. The part that really caught my attention was this This is where it can be hard to find a balance. Michael is the the author of three books, A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation - The Vision of John the Divine. Mike was not contradicting the Savior at all here. For a man constantly texting, he can cease communicating for days on end at the drop of a hat, then resurface as if nothing's happened, leaving some frustrated friends to ponder what they see as a lack of stability. Where there is fear there is uncertainty/darkness. This seems to have made Stroud more comfortable speaking out again. After bearing a heartfelt testimony of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President Russell M. Nelson, and deity, Brother Stroud announced he'd been excommunicated for apostasy. Fenerbahce Jersey Ozil, Jehovahs plan included to take the risk and seek good-weird which may entail some bad weird. Not my place. Lest we wonder why we havent experienced Zion. Ill first quote Mike Strouds statement, then the authors reaction and then my own response. I also find it interesting that they are so condemning of teachers in the online community who they feel have inappropriately and without authority called themselves to teach. Thanks for your input, Scootd28. Its a bit strong (evoking images of the occult), but the idea of requesting a specific heavenly messengers by name does seem unusual. There was a nice girl in one of his classes who was popular, very spiritual and had a very kind heart. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. Thanks for the write up. Comparing oneself to others cannot make that person any more of what they are nor does it make the other persons any less than what they are. Oh, I knew the feeling, but I did not know what feeling goes with the word, and I did not know the word for the feeling, and I struggled for years not knowing how to obey the Two Great Commandments since each requires a knowledge of what is love (as meant in the scripture anyway; the word has many human meanings). This of course presumes one can discern good fruit from bad. I am not a fan of personal revelations, testimony meetings, patriarchal blessings, the temple in general, bishopric and stake presidency interviews, the ensign, 90% of conference talks, and anything else that is cult-like or weird. Use left/right arrows to navigate the slideshow or swipe left/right if using a mobile device. One time I asked the Lord, Lord am I traveling at night? .And he said, yes. And I said, I dont know it. He said, I know. That was it. For them, all it takes is about 2 minutes of eastern style meditation and youre floating away. would then regulate such claims. He was never under any threat of disciplinary action as far as I can tell, but priesthood leaders found several of his teachings inappropriate. To his credit, Stroud clearly identified those teachings in his final podcast, published November 5th. Its this kind of fluffy, fear mongering, reaching for the stars conclusions that made the document so difficult to read. But if you take a higher altitude view, there are a number of changes that could be conservative by some definition. Sandra Dawn Brimhall and Dawn Retta Brimhall. If they testify to the reality of the spiritual world and that the gifts of the spirit may be enjoyed in this life they get the modern equivalent of being burned at the Stake. Video art by Michael Rush ( Book ) 50 editions published between 2002 and 2007 in 3 languages and held by 1,713 WorldCat member libraries worldwide. This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options This is a good place if you want to put an opt-in form or a scarcity countdown. Bro. You Asked, We Answered! I know when Stroud got excommunicated, Julie Rowe suggested she would likely suffer the same fate (though I didnt get the impression it was imminent). Michael B Rush, 64. Till thine elections sure, I think Ill just stick to Fair Mormon et al. I have been very excited to hear the encouragement by our Prophet Russell M Nielson to seek after a relationship with the Lord, to gain power in the priesthood, to hear President Eyering encourage us to be like Enoch to call down the powers of heaven, to stop armies. by ransomme August 20th, 2021, 3:50 pm, Post Listen to Mikes podcasts for your self. Michael Rush currently lives in Franklin, TN; in the past Michael has also lived in Draper UT. 3. I saw more frustration with Church leaders in his original series (like with becoming softer on LGBT stuff and not being allowed to discuss mysteries) than in the newer podcasts, but he was very careful about making sure it was clear they had his full support regardless. But we laugh at those ideas today. I saw some of his videos after the election and he was trying really hard to explain it in a way that fit his Ezra's Eagle view. by Lemarque August 20th, 2021, 9:40 am, Post If it were, it would be HIS love, not mine. Log In. by Michael Rush Format: Kindle Edition Kindle Edition $9.99 Paperback $24.99 See all details Sold by Amazon.com Services LLC. He believed that it was to benefit the modern-day descendants of Lehi, who are assigned to the tribe of Manasseh: I believe that the majority of the tribe of Manasseh are Spanish speakers. (Podcast 08: 1 Nephi 5-7, abt 41:51) In January, Stroud asked listeners for help to get translated Spanish (and Portuguese) podcasts into the hands of those who could benefit from them. Excommunicated Podcaster, Mike Stroud, has claimed in many of his podcasts and other "private settings" that he is obsessed with the idea of "A REMNANT" and he believes there are a select group of people that will be chosen to be part of this "remnant" apart from ,and ahead of, the main body of Saints. In a new Helps by Topic page, there is a link to False Revelation and Gospel Extremism. In that category, there are a couple scriptures, several talks by apostles, and even church history resources. I want to flag one because it relates to a recent post. In his initial announcement, he stated that the Lord wanted the podcasts translated into Spanish. Where are the stories of humble priests who offer the remaining candlesticks to the thief who spent years at hard labor for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving children? Rush has been a life long student of the scriptures. These men and women called to this ministry have an assignment in a future day when hopelessness and despair, destruction and death rule the day to go into these nations and through priesthood power and the gifts of the Spirit find these lost ones who have no hope of deliverance and bring them through miraculous ways superseding time and space and deliver them to places of safety and refuge set up by the Lord in his wisdom throughout the world, [57:26] Many of them will be translated in the flesh, as in ancient times, so as to be able to fulfill this mission successfully to bring these redeemed of the Lord to Zion. 9 reviews 2018 Edition - Includes Section Seven - World's Without End. While joy and cheer attend thy choice, Related To Shirley Rush. However, as Michael read on, he discovered a terrible truth. The plummet is a depth line to measure how deep the water is. Seems like there must be more to the story. Evan, my e-mail is scootd28@yahoo.com. And thus again the hypocrisy. He is talking about the government in v14, and maybe the leadership of the church. God has made our spirits a very tight fit with our bodies for the duration of mortality. I will tell you that as a former student of Hugh Nibley this is no different than what he use to say in his B of M class. And then Christ goes and talks about all being one , and that eternal life is to KNOW HIM in John 17. I think it is called The Church of the Firstborn. He is not in a position to be receiving revelation for anyone other than himself, his family and those he had/has stewardship over. 5. Stroud told a family story about his grandparents in Payson, Utah. The lies will be exposed and the truth will spill out like water. As you read the chapters in the Book of Mormon, identify beforehand the characters that you will be reading about. When they are learned, they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not, And THEY SHALL PERISH. Ive had plenty of dealings with Kimberly and her associates on social media. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. I have no idea how the author come to this conclusion. If you've read any of Michael's books, you know you're in for a treat. Required fields are marked *. As Rush said, at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, there are no degrees because the learning never stops. Michael B. Abramson is a practicing attorney. The Gospel topics essays are a mixed bag. He thought his own wisdom was worth more than his membership in the Lords true church. Despite my reservations about Mikes teaching, I have far more about his accusers and their methods. 2. Mormon Stories. We accept him as a prophet because his story is in the scriptures instead of a current podcast. We cannot develop faith if we have fear. That passion for Mormon doctrine did not prevent his 2003 excommunication from the LDS Church. I first wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, several months after I'd been introduced to his podcasts by a wardmember. Rush is the author of A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation the Vision of John the Divine. He even said the church is basically responsible for distributing the Book of mormon while Mike and his podcasts were used by God to GATHER THE ELECT. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. Other false teachers like Snuffer wrote their own material. First, Stroud got specific when describing a process to commune with heavenly beings. In modern times we are seeing Kimberly and her associates making the same claim. The Christian Century, Volume 119 Number 7, March 27-April 3, 2002. by Jeff Schogol, Robert B. Horine, et al. Bless their hearts, they grab onto something they crave or feel drawn to or whatever, and an obsessiveness follows that strains coping skills for the individuals involved, as well as family and friends who try to help them regain balance and moderation. Joel Rush, Marla Rush, Brandi Rush, Reanna Creech and Natalie Castleberry, and many others are family members and associates of Michael. what appears to me as the obvious needed direction moving towards more moderate/liberal views on these issues. But I do understand his zeal to hasten the establishment of Zion. including by not limited to: legal, investing, financial, medical, accounting, or any other professional advice. The lady did NOT come to Mike to ask if she had a Second Comforter experience. Christ also told us that by their fruits shall we know them. But its not just about spending time with deity. I hoped for the best but unfortunately it was shortly after that meeting when his accusers began to open fire. Stroud also recommended asking for visitations from specific Book of Mormon individuals. I am really disappointed in this article. Salt Lake City [Utah]: University of Utah Press, 2008. Dave Grohl, a Neil Peart acolyte who inducted Rush into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2013, penned a tribute to the drummer following news of Pearts death Friday. The examples you cite are things that happened to prophets which in nearly all cases not only did they not strive for those experiences they would like to have avoided them. Apostasy, Excommunication, LDS, Mormon, Mormon Discussion. To me, that is the difference. If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it? I like Rush in the general sense and have found some some of his views even helpful, but I disagree with him on a number of particulars. Your email address will not be published. But havent as yet got much of it read. Follow to get new release updates, special offers (including promotional offers) and improved recommendations. As JS said we can govern ourselves and let the spirit guide. [1] There were a few other moments in the podcasts where I cringed, but I doubt they wouldve played into any discipline. by ransomme August 20th, 2021, 3:57 am, Post , and anything else that is cult-like or weird.. Which leads into Jackson County Missouri and the New Jerusalem. Nor is it any different from what i have heard lots of G As teach over the last 60 years. I testify that Christ has not judged ANYONE involved, nor will he. and Sis. (But the few Spanish and Portuguese podcasts are still up, so who knows.). Metro. [This is the most likely reason I can see, which is why I noted that hed previously been corrected on inappropriate doctrines and highlighted questionable teachings in his newer podcasts.] There are things after I read the sources that he quotes, I dont agree with his interpretation. Each person decides which is more important; having the good or avoiding the bad. Those persons are generally under a commandment to impart to the world only those stories that are appointed to be public. All people are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Public Transport Seville Airport To City, So, I have learned to just not worry about this so-called extreme gospel. Here is how I believe it breaks down. There are tens of thousands of us all across the conservative movement. The iconic comedian is reprising his role as Prince Akeem in the highly anticipated follow-up, Coming 2 America, however, there was once an idea for a sequel to focus on Michael B. Jordan instead. 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